Margaret Thatcher's funeral - Yes or No to full State honours?

Discussion in 'Off topic' started by nunheader, Jul 13, 2011.

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Should Lady Thatcher be given a full State Funeral?

  1. Yes

    55 vote(s)
    53.4%
  2. No

    48 vote(s)
    46.6%
  1. nunheader

    nunheader South East Crusader

    The Lady put the Great back into Great Britain as far as I'm concerned!

    She's one formidable female who put women on the map and had more balls than most men.

    Full state honours I say!
     
  2. Matt

    Matt Fountain of Southern Knowledge

    On the other hand she smashed the unions, sent unemployment through the roof, sold off council housing (great for a small number of beneficiaries, not so for those that followed), flogged off the utilities for a pittance, privatising profit but socialising risk and cost, closed down industries depressing whole areas, began our slide from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, and started the culture of selfishness that has blighted society ever since.
     
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  3. Monkeyboy

    Monkeyboy South East Crusader

    She was the first Woman PM but was no great champion of equality ironically. The Falklands - a convienient war that UK forces won - just (that the UK government should have seen coming and avoided) helped.

    Respect, yes, she was elected by us after all, but 'full honours' (whatever that means) - why? She presided over a boom and a bust. Blair/Brown presided over a bigger boom and bigger bust, 'full honours' for them?

    Thatcher started the ball rolling on the laissez-faire model of financial regulation, massive increase in the financial sector with out checks and balances, in fairness which new labour built on. Look where we are now.
     
  4. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader

    I've thought a lot about this issue in recent years and, although I've never voted Conservative, I still believe the intentions behind this policy were good - mainly that if the people owned the home they lived in rather than paying dead money to rent, they would naturally more inclined to look after the property, and create a greater sense of civic pride and self worth.

    I've seen for myself first hand how people who live in social housing expect everything handed to them on a plate. One housing association across the road from my last gaff even had to put up big notices in the communal areas telling tennants not to keep calling them requesting things like lighbulbs and bin bags! Seriously!

    Anyway, the vote is kind of redundant - the Daily Mail has full details of the state funeral arrangements, which are gonna be at St Pauls, not Westminster Abbey.
     
  5. nunheader

    nunheader South East Crusader

    But if Maggie's privatisation and moving from a manufacturing to service economy was so terrible, why did so many countries follow her lead?
    Britain and others knew they couldn't compete with cheaper labour costs in manufacturing countries like China for a start!
     
  6. nunheader

    nunheader South East Crusader

    Anyway, the Mail has also published the first trailer video of The Iron Lady film, and Meryl Streep is absolutely awesome as our greatest peacetime Prime Minister!

     
  7. Matt

    Matt Fountain of Southern Knowledge

    Germany managed to retain its manufacturing capability and sits atop of the European economy, despite the Eurozone debt crisis.
     
  8. Monkeyboy

    Monkeyboy South East Crusader

    well 'follow her lead' Hmmm... Ron Regan may disagree. Yes, lots followed the lead, thats why it's a global problem.
     
  9. AndyD

    AndyD Local

    OLD JOKE ALERT

    I think she should have a full state funeral, preferably tomorrow.
     
  10. AndyD

    AndyD Local

    On a serious note though, if Thatcher has done enough to merit a state funeral, so has Blair.
     
  11. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader

    Yeah, 'cos, like, Blair is the longest serving PM of the 20th century and the only man ever to have held the office. :rolleyes:
     
  12. AndyD

    AndyD Local

    So she should be treated differently for being female? Interesting. Bit sexist, no?

    I was thinking more about things he achieved such as minimum wage, Northern Ireland, overseeing longest period of economic stability et cetera. Also, he was only 17 months short of her and turned the Labour party from nigh on unelectable to biggest majority of 20th Century in only 3 years. That and he still has time left to build on it before he gets too old to have influence. I reckon time will be kind on his legacy.

    I'm no major Blair fan (no pun intended) but do think he will be get a favourable review from history.
     
  13. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader


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  14. AndyD

    AndyD Local

    It's amazing how little a war badly affects your reputation. Gladstone isn't seen as awful PM despite failure in Boer war. As I said it's my opinion not necessarily going to be the case, but I reckon the whole Iraq issue won't affect him too much as Saddam Hussein is generally seen as bad and that got rid of him (we'll ignore the lies and pretences that got us into it).

    I'm not a fan of Thatcher (this you've probably gathered). Poll tax riots, miners' strikes, privatisation of nationalised institutions and Section 28 are all the sorts of things I think show her bad side. She is seen as being a successful Prime Minister and must have done something right to stay in power for so long, but State Funeral? I think that's a bit far.
     
  15. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader

    Fella, fella, it's the lies and pretences that got us into Iraq that people remember about Iraq more than Saddam Hussein himself!

    It's this very reason why Blair's legacy is forever tarnished, which is a real shame, as he clearly was a very able PM who pushed through some remarkable and progressive pieces of legislation during his tenure. But let's not forget that his government also went further with more privatisations and quasi-Tory policies.
     
  16. AndyD

    AndyD Local

    You see I disagree with the first point I honestly think they'll get swept under the carpet. All we need is sometime within 10 years of it happening a massive scandal involving corruption and law breaking crossing between the media, politicians and the police. Maybe with a bit of perverting the course of justice and causing pain to the families of dead little girls. Now we just need to wait for something like that to come along.

    The thing with Blair is that he took advantage of you with a smile on his face and a kind word, rather than a scowl and everyone loves someone who'll abuse you but tell you they love you.
     
  17. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader

    Talking of which, this was the News Of The World's pre-made supplement mag for the Iron lady. It's standard practice for publications and broadcasters to have obituaries already prepared for major public figures who've been around a wee while.

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    Something of a rarity now the paper's gone but Thatch is still with us!
     
  18. nunheader

    nunheader South East Crusader

    People, people, people!

    No, no, no to infecting my Thatchfest with talk of that chomping Cheshire cat! He wasn't a Dulwich resident like our Mags was. Anybody know where her house was?
     
  19. Matt

    Matt Fountain of Southern Knowledge

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  20. Stuart

    Stuart South East Crusader

    :D "Mags, I didn't recognise you - you've lost weight!"
     

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